Honestly, when I read the books, I never had the impression that Gansey was even interested in women. He might be attracted to personalities. People who challenge him and put him in his place. (Ronan, Adam, Blue) But overall he doesn’t think of them in the same terms as the boys in the book. He writes poetry in his head about Ronan and Adam. He has these beautiful descriptions of Adam. When he’s with Blue we get excuses of why he’s attracted, not these details that he cherishes about his Raven Boys. We get his attraction from Ronan, who is a terrible POV character for Gansey’s feelings for Blue. Especially when Ronan knows Gansey so well. That line about the lampshade isn’t really selling the idea that Gansey’s attracted. Interested, yes, but Gansey is interested in many different things and that doesn’t mean romantic interest. It’s the equivalent of writing sonnets about Ronan and Adam and saying ‘she’s got a nice face’ about Blue.

That fight felt very contrived. It never made sense. She was mad at Adam but not at Gansey. The fact that she didn’t even want to go made it feel even more forced. I think Adam wanted someone to want him. The fact that Blue wouldn’t kiss him upset him more than anything. I think it might have been part of his self doubt and his worries about being ‘white trash’ compared to the other boys. Adam did behave badly and they needed to break up, but the fact that Adam getting physically violent when angry was forgivable and not inviting her to an event hosted by Gansey’s parents isn’t is very strange. It also sends a bad message on many levels.

I really can’t read Maggie’s Twitter and other social media. It’s just a personal thing. My reasons really aren’t fandom approved so I will leave it at that. I get notifs that she updates and I skim what it’s about (like a new book or a discarded bit of the books) but I can’t follow her. I’m glad that others enjoy her posts.

I went to an event where Maggie was signing books. She said that she never plots her books, writing wherever the muse leads. She said basically she scrapped an entire novel’s worth of content from just Dream Thieves. She implied that she totally rewrote the book on one of the drafts. That makes me wonder if she shoved in the Adam bits because the books were to Ronsey.

Also, I followed someone on Tumblr that went to one of her workshops and she admitted she probably should have written endgame as Ronsey instead of Pynch.

The majority of the narration is Ronan/Gansey. K is constantly calling them out on it. Ronan’s thoughts about Gansey make it obvious that there’s attraction there and deeper feelings. K’s right in that bit. He’s in Ronan’s head. He knows what Ronan’s feeling. He knows that Ronan’s feelings for Gansey are more than Ronan’s willing to acknowledge. The fact that Ronan gets angry over Gansey showing ankle in the dollar store and being annoyed that Adam interrupted them by calling hints at a lot. I’m sure Maggie says it hints that he had a thing for Adam, but that doesn’t explain why a tousled, teenage boy Gansey makes Ronan so angry and frustrated.

“Like, Adam is just so apathetic about Ronan.” Thank you for saying that. I’ve been trying to find the right words for it since I first read the series and that hits the point exactly. Adam doesn’t seem to feel anything for Ronan other than Ronan is Gansey’s friend so they’re all in the same circle more than having actual FEELINGS for him. They’re friends. Not even super close friends. He’s helping Gansey search because it’s the right thing to do, but not because his crush might be dead in a ditch. But we’re supposed to believe that they were True Love since they met.

There’s more I could say on that, but it would spoil the later books, so I won’t.

Gansey buying more time for Ronan is a big thing in the books that most people ignore. Gansey gives up a LOT, including his morals, for Ronan. I usually say that Ronan is one of Gansey’s great weaknesses. He’ll do anything for him, sacrifice anything he has available to make sure Ronan has that time.

I really think that since Ronan’s starting to heal and Gansey even sees that when he’s presented with the dream Pig, they could evolve. I was disappointed that basically Ronan runs off to the Barns and ignores Gansey after he gets his home back. Again, another subject that I could go on about but spoilers. LOL

I think Adam has a lot to work through about all the boys. BLLB has a lot of potential for Adam that I think Maggie ignored. I’m not sure how far you are in it, so I’m not sure what scenes to discuss.

I think Adam wants someone to love him. I think he wants someone to make him believe he’s worthy of love. Ronan in many ways feels like he could be an escape. He’s a ready made family for Adam who will love him unquestioning. Ronan will give his whole heart to him (because in YA you can only love one person ever). There’s more stuff with Adam too, especially in the first chapters of Call Down the Hawk that seem to emphasize this. Also, in Opal, which is a weird story and I didn’t understand how certain characters acted in it compared to the earlier books.

Maggie says she did not mean to imply something improper happened while Ronan was unconscious. Uh huh… that pic was taken while Ronan was drugged out of his mind. That was not a good place to go if she wanted K to have redeeming qualities, which she seems to want now. Or she doesn’t want to deal with what was implied by the situation. Everything about what K did was meant to stake a claim on Ronan and to make Gansey angry. The fact that Gansey is so wounded by Ronan breaking his trust and by the whole situation is telling. Gansey doesn’t get angry like that over anything else. All the things that happen to Gansey in the books that should bother him until he can’t calm down and it’s K’s prodding and the destruction of the Pig that does it. Basically with that call, Gansey lost the two things that meant home to him: Ronan and the Pig.

That was basically the wording about the ‘breakup’ with K and Ronan. K really thought that teaching Ronan to dream would make them a couple of some sort. Ronan not wanting K or wanting that whatever with K and going back to Gansey screams relationship.

The scene with the party is so good. I just finished rereading. Ronan not caring that he’s being called Gansey’s dog and Gansey’s not flinching away from it. It’s true or they don’t need to bother protesting because they know the truth about their relationship. I love how Ronan is into that side of Gansey and not condemning it. I feel like Gansey isn’t accepted as a full person by most people in the books. Ronan sees the good and the bad, the stuff that annoys him, and still loves Gansey.

I love the series, good moment and flaws. I haven’t had a lot of people to talk to about it so I’m excited to be able to ramble with someone who has so many feelings for both Gansey and Ronan.

Who should set up the post party thread?